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| "Bless you, Lito." |
I went to a Facebook forum called Filipino Pastor's Forum.
This forum has several denominations in it and may be 30 % come from Reformed background.
The debate on election, regeneration has been going on in this forum for quite a number of weeks now, with the Calvinist camp stressing sovereignty of God and election.
The forum administrator asked therefore this question as a thread...
WHEN DOES SALVATION TAKE PLACE BEFORE YOU WERE BORN OR UPON FAITH IN CHRIST AND ACCORDING TO THIS VERSE ARE WE SAVED ALREADY BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD WITHOUT HEARING THE GOSPEL, CHRIST DYING AND OUR FAITH IN HIM? 2Tim 1:8
I hope it is evident how Calvinism is so the same as UOJ. Walther and the others borrowed so many diabolical claims.
Like I said, Calvinism's idea of faith is an after thought, notice the question and how this question jives with the thesis of UOJ - that everybody has been justified/saved before they were born and before they can have faith.
The same is true for Calvinism the only difference is that the elect was already saved before they were born or before Jesus could die for them.
In Calvinism faith is not an instrument of Justification but God's solemn decree.
Man is Justified through solemn decree, not through faith.
LPC
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GJ - Some basic data that goes so well with Lito's post -
The double-justification formula--OJ and SJ--came from the Calvinist Leonard Woods, although he was not necessarily the first to use those words.
Woods' formula in English, explaining the Halle theologian Knapp, traveled to Germany and was accepted there. Walther approved of that formula and it began to be used in the LCMS. Pieper, whose election was rigged by Walther, used OJ/SJ.
The Easter absolution language was prevalent in Halle (see Rambach) and was used by Walther.
The so-called Evangelical Church in German territories was a union church, with Reformed doctrine dominant and Lutherans told to hush up.
Walther's training was only at the university level, a bachelor's degree in rationalism. He was never trained in Lutheran doctrine. Certainly he studied Luther and hid behind Luther, but like Zwinli and Calvin, only when it suited him.
Walther's style came from Bishop Martin Stephan, the poorly trained Pietist cell group and female groupie leader. Walther copied the dictatorial style of Stephan after serving as his enforcer for years.
Walther did not know about Stephan's adultery, when Stephan left his dying wife and sick children behind, taking his main mistress and his groupies?
No one knew Stephan went to spas with his mistress and sent his wife walking home?
No one knew Stephan's painful rashes came from syphilis?
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More from Dr. Cruz:
Again from the Filipino Pastor's Forum found in FaceBook.
Watch the similarities with UOJ, man is justified already/saved already without hearing the Gospel or before they heard it. Note how in Calvinism, man is not saved by faith or through faith. In UOJ you believe you are already saved so faith does nothing.
This is from the list owner...Larry Dela Cruz
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Larry Dela Cruz created the doc: "Most Damnable Heresy"
I have read Primitive Baptists book by Tom Hagler.
It is disturbing. I literally threw the book.
The elect are saved before the world began.
1. Therefore no need of the gospel to be saved.
2. Through faith in Christ we are not saved.
3. We are not regenerated through the gospel.
4. The elect are regenerated without faith faith in Christ and the gospel.
5. The elect since already saved from the world began can reject Christ, the gospel and sin they are still saved eternally.
6. The elect from all religions are saved even without the gospel and Christ.
It is disturbing. I literally threw the book.
The elect are saved before the world began.
1. Therefore no need of the gospel to be saved.
2. Through faith in Christ we are not saved.
3. We are not regenerated through the gospel.
4. The elect are regenerated without faith faith in Christ and the gospel.
5. The elect since already saved from the world began can reject Christ, the gospel and sin they are still saved eternally.
6. The elect from all religions are saved even without the gospel and Christ.