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Dreadful, Dishonest, Twisted Webber Essay Promoting UOJ

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Jay Webber Essay at the Emmaus 2015 Conference - Free Link to PDF


Jon Buchholz Response to Webber Essay


DP Mueller Response


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Justified before we are born?
Yes, that is the true message of UOJ.


GJ - I read rapidly through the Webber essay. He is dishonest about Robert Preus, quoting a 1987 essay (but not the juicy, truly dumb part from Edward Preuss). 

Preus destroyed OJ in his final book, Justification and Rome, not mentioned in the references list, not mentioned anywhere.

That encapsulates the dishonesty of Webber, who never deals with an opposing view, never reveals an ounce of critical thinking.

He has no grasp of Lutheran doctrine, the efficacy of the Word, the doctrine of the Holy Spirit.

The garbled essay begins with C. H. Little, who taught at the tiny Pietistic seminary of the Canada Synod. 

Webber mentions Pietism but never deals with that all important era. 

He loves OJ so much that he finds OJ everywhere except in the Halle (Pietistic) lectures of Knappe, whose English translation by a Calvinist gave us....


  1. Objective Justification and
  2. Subjective Justification.
If the term is not there, and the doctrine does not exist among Lutherans
until Pietism, just make up an excuse.


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